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You are here: GreaterThings.com > News > Free Energy > Directory > Faraday Labs > Power Generator: Magnet Alternator > Intellectual Dispute Resolution

Alan L. Francoeur's Work and Russian Patent Very Similar

States that power generator: magnet alternator was his invention; gives documentation.  Alexandar Frolov of Faraday Labs responds.

http://tinyurl.com/g2ci

Patent Claim

Alan L. Francoeur Says Patent Idea Was His

Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2003 10:58 PM
Subject: Re: [FE_updates] Chukanov "100kW unit" estimated to output 600kW; other updates

Hi Sterling

[...]

I also want to point out the similarity between this Russian invention and my Interference disc generator.

#2003118321 of June 23, 2003; by Faraday Lab Ltd

Am I being ripped off here?  Have a look, its the same thing!  How did they get a patent on my invention I built and tested in the mid eighties?  I still have the  first and third dated original Interference disc machines here.  My machines also showed less back EMF when the coils are loaded!  The magnets and coils are all stationary and my Interference disc machine uses the changing flux density to cause induction.  My disc machines use neodymium magnets and amorphous coils for greater power output, the coils and magnets are mounted stationary all the way around the outer perimeter with the balanced easy to turn disc rotating in the air gap.

How did they get a patent on my notarized by an attorney dated Interference disc alternator invention?  What happen to the system?  Faraday labs contacted my over a year ago and expressed interest in my Interference disc generator, they wanted more information!  I went public with it long before this patent.  Is there any justice?  I hope they remember who the real inventor is.  They did not invent this machine, I did, and here are the links.  Please, the patent office should see my work before they issue this to them!  It should be my patent, not theirs.

http://www.fortunecity.com/greenfield/bp/16/interference.htm
http://www.fortunecity.com/greenfield/bp/16/interference1.htm
http://www.fortunecity.com/greenfield/bp/16/interference2.htm

[...]

Sincerely
Alan L Francoeur
Inventor


Alexander Frolov of Faraday Labs Replies

Sent: Friday, July 04, 2003 4:36 AM
Subject: FreeEnergy.GreaterThings.com Contact

[...]

July 4, 2003Russia
St.-Petersburg
 
Hello Alan, 

Yes, it is my patent claim http://www.faraday.ru/alternator.htm 

There is real similarity between this invention and your Interference disc generator. Also there is clear similarity between your and my generator and between Ecklin generators and any system, which use changes of magnetic field. I have to note that my first alternators I have tested in 1989. 
But I have to note that the key idea of our present device is not clear from photo and your device has not this idea.  

We'll glad to publish article about your work, but please, send us the text and photos yourself! We can not take it from your web site. Sure, please, write that your generator is similar to our generator and you have invented it in 1986 or so on. It is not important if you have not overunity and we have overunity. Have you claimed in your patent how and why the device can accelerate to rotor by influence of back EMF from the coils onto the rotor?

Best regards, 

Alexander V. Frolov
General Director
Faraday Lab Ltd
http://www.faraday.ru

 

-----Original Message-----
From: AL.F@telus.net [mailto:AL.F@telus.net]
Sent
: Friday, July 04, 2003 10:39 AM
To:
Alexander V. Frolov
Subject: Re: Russan patent is ALF Interference disc generator!

Hello Alexander 
Here is the link and number that shows the machine that is patent, pleasehave a look.
 
#2003118321 of June 23, 2003; by Faraday Lab Ltd 
http://www.greaterthings.com/News/FreeEnergy/Directory/
FaradayLabs/alternator/
 

It does closely resemble my Interference disc generator, does it not? I am glad for your success with the idea, and I hope it gets to production, but please do not forget the work I did in the same ideas years ago. I have new horseshoe magnets neodymium grade 45 to upgrade my original machine, and new set of interference disc will also follow. I will have updates of the performance after the next testing, but in the mean time, I am stuck with lack of funds. Reviving Ed Gray's radiant energy motors is expensive, and the same goes with my other technologies. I need to win some lottery to solve the funds problems and get these projects up and going.

That's my main problem.
 
Sincerely
Alan L Francoeur
Inventor
B.C. Canada

" Alexander V. Frolov" wrote:

 > Hello Alan,>
> Why you have some ideas on it? What Russian patent is the reason of your
> trouble?
>
> Please, be sure that I respect you and I am interested to publish ALL
> YOUR PHOTOS, ARTICLES AND ADDRESS to let people know about you.
>
> I can assume that some fakers especially try to produce troubles between
> inventors and in this case we have not ideas on collaboration and
> partnership.
>
> About the collaboration: we have interest to start partnership and
> re-production of your device. Is it real over-unity or not? What is
> efficiency?
>
> Best regards,
>
> Alexander V. Frolov
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AL.F@telus.net [mailto:AL.F@telus.net]
> Sent: Friday, July 04, 2003 9:28 AM
> To: office@faraday.ru
> Subject: Russian patent is ALF Interference disc generator!
>
> Hello
>
> How did you people get a patent on my invention? Look at these links.>
> http://www.fortunecity.com/greenfield/bp/16/interference.htm
> http://www.fortunecity.com/greenfield/bp/16/interference1.htm
>
http://www.fortunecity.com/greenfield/bp/16/interference2.htm

>
> Are you not going to recognize who the inventor is? I invented this back> in the eighties. Please!, if it makes you rich, remember who invented> this type of machine first, I did with my Interference disc generator!
> You contacted me over a year ago to ask for more information about my
> Interference disc generator, then you patent the system on me!. Please> give us something for my work! I build this (disc shutter) machine idea> almost 20 years ago.
>
> Sincerily
> Alan L Francoeur or AL F
> Inventor
> B.C. Canada
> (250) 487-1164
>
http://www.greaterthings.com/News/FreeEnergy/Directory/ALF_Vaporizer/

ALF Replies

Sent: Friday, July 04, 2003 10:14 PM
Subject: Re: [alfenergy] Faraday Labs Responds to ALF's Charge of Intellectual Theft

Hello Sterling

Yes I feel a little better, but it is still my invention.  I Invented this design and built it and tested it starting in 1985, 86 in Yellowknife NWT, and I built and tested the largest Interference disc generator in 1987 after I moved to Calgary Alberta.  I still have the unopened notarized by a lawyer with witnesses, a large letter envelope with all my blue print copies, and the complete descriptions sent through the mail dated, still unopened today.  If it ever goes to court to prove my case, the unopened dated letter goes to the judge.  I did this back then because I knew I could not afford to pay for a patent, so this was my way to prove what I am saying just in case of a situation as now.  I feel some people are taking advantage of my developments with out giving help to the source.  I will continue to do my part for the development of free energy, but I do not want others to take my work and claim it as theirs.  Especially when I can easily prove otherwise.  I cannot stop anyone from manufacturing my systems, and I hope they do for the better of humanity, but I sure would like some credit for my contributions to free energy developments that can help everyone, I sure paid for it financially and emotionally.  If they get wealthy from my work, then I think it would be fair to help the person with money who helped them with the technology that made them wealthy.  It makes me reluctant to post my other unpublished inventions such as my Impulsion motor, others will claim it as theirs and patent it and I will get screwed again.  This time I may have to file a patent, but who has the money for that, I sure don't.  I am still shocked that he got this patent on my invention.  Alexander even phone me twice to talk about it well over a year ago, then he patented my system in his name.  What am I to think?  I published my work to help others and they took advantage of me.  It makes me feel robbed of my many years of hard work.  I cannot see how this patent he got can stand up, I published the information with the same claim of reduced back EMF years before this patent was issued.  I know there are questions in a patent application regarding if the person applying for a patent knows of any other idea or system that closely resembles the applied patent claim.  He must have answered no to this question when in fact he did know of a system, and that is my Interference disc generator.  And if that is the case, then why did he do this with out letting the patent examiner know about my invention and have him believe other wise?  Its not fair to me.  It goes to show in this world, nice guys finish last!

Sincerely
Alan L Francoeur
Inventor
B.C. Canada


Frolov Reply

Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 1:35 AM
Subject: RE: Faraday Labs Responds to ALF's Charge of Intellectual Theft
 

Hello, Alan  

Let’s clarify that ALL ALTERNATORS ARE SIMILAR since they have permanent magnets, rotor and coils. Please, ask R.A. Ford who is author of many interesting books in USA about alternators.  

The question for patent is WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE, so then let’s try to find what is difference in your method and in my method.  

Also I have to note that your claim “Alexander even phone me twice to talk about it well over a year ago, then he patented my system in his name.” Is not true. IT IS NOT YOUR SYSTEM or idea. We are developing magnet generator that is similar to any system with permanent magnets. But your system is not THE MOST SIMILAR SYSTEM according to our patent claim.  

The principle we have developing ALLOWS TO ACCELERATE THE ROTOR by means of back EMF in the generator coils. Is it your idea also?  

About our phone and email conversation a year ago. We offered financial help to you and discussed joint business to develop your device in Russia. It was possible since our financial partner (he is not from Russia) has serious business contacts in USA also, for example, we have published one of his articles as joint sci work with NASA people. But you said a year ago that your device is not ready yet, also is not ready for publication in our magazine.

What about now? Is your device is ready to be presented for investor or your have clean understanding of the idea to be published as author in our magazine?

We have interest to any serious project, but [...] we have to consider all proposals only after clarification of real situation with demo version.

Best regards, 

Alexander V. Frolov
General Director
Faraday Lab Ltd


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