Ph.D. Physicist Rebuts Chukanov Claims
Dialogue between Dr. William Rhodes and Dr. Kiril Chukanov
Responding to
Reply
From: "WILLIAM A. RHODES" <warlab@aztecfreenet.org>
To: <sterlingda@perentech.com>
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 2:11 PM
Subject: DOCUMENT EXAM
Hi Sterling:
The Chukanov patent reveals it is a high voltage radio frequency discharge or direct current
device. This confusion adds to my doubts of his work. Answers for the first few
paragraphs will follow them.
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>THE TECHNOLOGY: I witnessed a hollow ball made of a glass substance, that he said was
quartz, approximately 5 inches in diameter. Upon pulsed excitation, the glass balls were
filled first with a purple- white light that danced and flowed about, which he called
"plasma." Then, when he triggered another switch, the light turned to a bright
white, and seemed too bright to look at for very long, though he didn't seem to be concerned about
looking at it. He had us stand back about eight feet to protect ourselves from radiation and
then triggered another switch that made the light even brighter. He called this "ball
lightning," which is an adequate description.
COMMENTS:
Such glow discharges of any gas in partial vacuum has been known since before Nicola Tesla
performed them in the late 1800s. The more voltage and current applied produces brilliant
light. Light color depends on what kind of gas was introduced before partial evacuation.
Neon signs made of glass tubing exhibit the same traits.
There is presently a sodium vapor lamp about 3" diameter that produces enough to illuminate
a large sports arena.
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>Several times, as Angelina IV was running, the bulb put out a very loud "crack" sound,
like a sharp spark, and the light went out. He reset the device, and repeated the
process. I don't think this was an intended phenomenon, but was a timing bug that needs to be
resolved.
COMMENTS: The loud crack sound was caused by high voltage breakdown around the glass sphere --
again normal. Arcing radio frequency devices are silent.
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>(3) CLAIM: Kiril said that these two prototypes that we saw operating (Angelina IV and V) use
2.1 kW in the excitation, and generate approximately 20% more than that in energy; but that a larger
unit will be far more efficient, putting out 10 to 100 times more energy then it uses for
excitation. He said the efficiency grows exponentially with more energy output. The
output energy, at this point, is in the form of photons, heat, and radiation (not
radioactive). Besides just tapping that power in typical fashion to drive generators, or
collecting the photons in a photovoltaic cell, he said the charge differential across the surface
could be tapped similar to a capacitor.
COMMENTS: He doesn't explain how he measured increase of output energy, or what form of energy it
was. A photovoltaic cell responds to light only. If he is using radio frequencies, then
no capacitor type discharge is possible. Radio frequencies only produce steady arcs which are
silent. Driving generators requires high current, and he doesn't expose his method of tapping them.
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>(4) QUALITY: Kiril has obviously put a large amount of thought, time,
money, and talent into these devices. Their presentation is very clean and professional.
(Photos pending) The devices stand approximately 6 feet high, and are approximately 3' by 3'
in width and depth. They have numerous meters, switches, lights, tubes, and other electronic
apparatus -- so much so that it would take a far more trained eye than mine to determine that his
claim of more energy out than in is actually taking place.
COMMENTS: Again, his patent does not show the benefit or use of such extravagant metering.
Flashing lights dumb down the viewer.
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>(6) DOCUMENTATION: Kiril gave us a copy of a book he has written, along
with a recent update to the book (General Quantum Mechanics: The Great Reform of Science). Its
approximate 300 pages (8.5" x 11") are filled with descriptions, formulas, diagrams,
photographs, photocopies of newspaper article coverage. The book was written with substantial
help of his wife, who has a strong grasp of his technology, and edited by professionals. It is
a mixture of science as well as some of his religious perspectives; and seems to be written such
that the lay person can understand it.
COMMENTS: I can see no value of this invention, other than for procuring money. With a
patent, there is no excuse for not including specific information on the entire subject of
over-unity (more than 100% above what is fed into it).
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From my experience with the physics involved, he is a con artist, and you shouldn't bite.
Such con men are always very cordial and smooth operators. I get several such proposals each
month.
Respectfully,
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William Rhodes, Ph.D.,Physicist
4421 N. 13th Place
Phoenix, AZ 85014-4546
Phone (602)274-1303
A.S.U.: warlab@aztecfreenet.org
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From: "[Kiril] Chukanov" <angelina@burgoyne.com>
To: <sterlingda@greaterthings.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2003 8:23 PM
Subject: FW: REPLY
Thank you for your reply. My name is Kiril Chukanov, my wife is Angelina. I'm real Doctor, but this
title has nothing to do with my real discovery. All your comments are really wrong. They are based
on the words of Sterling (very honest person) who was only half an hour in my lab. I challenge you -
can you visit me in Salt Lake City for real observations and discussions. I guarantee that after
this meeting you will a changed man (about my ball lighting).
For your information: I use only air, not another gases; the crack was from the discharge of a
capacitor into ball lightning. When the excitement factor is turned off, the radiation of free
quantum energy continue 3-4 more seconds with the same intensity. In the first experiment the
input microwave power (a service power) was 3.1 KW (generator Angelina-IV). The current of
excitement was about 300 watts. All this power is dissipated into heat, excited ball lightning
radiate visible light like 12 KW( comparison with the same power light bulb). In addition
ultraviolet radiation and some x-rays; can you do that with regular plasma-discharge? Of course
not!!!
In the second experiment conducted on Angelina-V, the input microwave power was 2.1 KW, the
average power of the excitement current was only 2 watts - every 55 sec. impulse into ball
lightning, after every impulse ball lightning radiate visible light (like 6-7 KW light bulb) 3-4
more seconds. Can you do that with regular plasma in neon lamp? You know very well that after some
excitement (no matter how) of a regular plasma, if you switch off the source of excitement, the
radiation from the plasma will stop practically immediately. And so on.
Several years ago a friend of mine (in California)- my former investor (he died) told me: Kiril,
no matter how and from where this energy (quantum energy) comes from, if your machinery produce a
lot of this energy you don't need care about opinion of so-called "professionals".
In fact I'm professional in this field because of my long experience in this field. And my
education (real) and my title (real) have nothing to do with this fact.
My countryman Nicola Tesla (Bulgarian and Yugoslavian people are the same nationality) created a
lot of major discoveries in the field of electricity without any scientific title. In our language
"tesla" means "adze", "chukanov" means "hammer". Two handle
tools, from the same country (my home town is located not far from Tesla's home town). For
information.
Best regards, Kiril Chukanov (I don't care about my scientific title).
From: WILLIAM A. RHODES [warlab@aztecfreenet.org]
Sent: Monday, June 30, 2003 1:04 AM
To: angelina@burgoyne.com
Subject: QUESTIONS & COMMENTS
Hi Kiril:
I apologize for disturbing your wife. Before going into your letter below, I should inform that my
present work is probono (free no income) Also, since I have a few patent attorneys who send clients
with inventions to put in a form they can write patent applications, everything remains
confidential, unless you wish Hank Artze to know. Sterling was responsible for giving the ok for the
previous to sent to him. Also, I am too old to travel, so visiting you in Utah is impossible.
I will insert questions for you to answer, and if I need more will ask for them.
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Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 18:05:25 -0500
From: angelina@burgoyne.com ("Angelina Chukanov")
Subject: RE: REPLY
To: warlab@aztecfreenet.org
Thank you for your reply.
My name is Kiril Chukanov, my wife is Angelina. I'm real Doctor,
but this title has nothing to do with my real discovery.
COMMENT: You are correct, titles have nothing to do with talent.
All your comments are really wrong. They are based on the words
of Sterling very honest person) who was only half an hour in my
lab.
COMMENT: No, my comments were based on the lack of information
in the document.
I challenge you - can you visit me in Salt Lake City for
real observations and discussions. I guarantee that after this
meeting you will a changed man(about my ball lighting). For your
information: I use only air, no another gases; the crack was from
the discharge of a capacitor into ball lightning; when the
excitement factor is turned off, the radiation of free quantum
energy continue 3-4 more seconds with the same intensity;
QUESTIONS:
Do you know of the air pressure in the sphere when discharging?
What is the capacitance in microfarads?
What voltage is on the capacitor when it discharges?
What do you mean by "excitement factor"?
When you say "ball lightning" do you mean the ball of light is
outside the evacuated sphere, or internal?
How do you determine that the discharge it quantum?
When you reply, I might need to ask more question.
COMMENT:
You of course are aware that beginning at about 30 kilovolts,
soft X-rays are generated?
In the first experiment the input microwave power (a service
power) was 3.1 KW (generator Angelina-IV), the current of
excitement was about 300 watts, all this power is dissipated into
heat, excited ball lightning radiate visible light like 12 KW(
comparison with the same power light bulb), in addition
ultraviolet radiation and some x-rays; can you do that with
regular plasma-discharge? Of course not!!! In the second
experiment conducted on Angelina-V, the input microwave power was
2.1 KW, the average power of the excitement current was only 2
watts - every 55 sec. impulse into ball lightning, after every
impulse ball lightning radiate visible light (like 6-7 KW light
bulb) 3-4 more seconds. Can you do that with regular plasma in
neon lamp?
QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS:
Do you have two different setups, one for capacitor discharge and
the other, microwave? That is the confusing area.
How do you measure the radiated 12 kw?
You cannot compare power consumption of a light bulb from a
filament with a glow discharge from capacitor, or microwave. The
input must be measured and known, and the luminous output must be
known.
No, a plasma generator cannot be compared, since the voltage is
too low.
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You know very well that after some excitement (no matter how) of a
regular plasma, if you switch off the source of excitement, the
radiation from the plasma will stop practically immediately.
COMMENT:
You are correct here.
You lived so close to Tesla's place, some of it rubbed of on you.
I am of Ukraninian extraction.
And so on. Several years ago a friend of mine (in California)- my
former investor (he died) told me: Kiril, no matter how and from
where this energy (quantum energy) comes from, if your machinery
produce a lot of this energy you don't need care about opinion of
so-called "professionals".
COMMENT:
I don't believe in professionalism, or opinions, only facts.
My title is used only for those who demand it before submitting
the kind of work I do.
Do the best you can to clear up the questions, and I will
respond.
Respectfully,
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William Rhodes, Ph.D.,Physicist
4421 N. 13th Place
Phoenix, AZ 85014-4546
Phone (602)274-1303
A.S.U.: warlab@aztecfreenet.org
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From: Angelina Chukanov angelina@burgoyne.com
Sent: Monday, June 30, 2003 10:27 AM
To: warlab@aztecfreenet.org
Subject: RE: QUESTIONS & COMMENTS
Dear William,
I'll try to answer some your new comments and questions. The story with my ball lightning
research is too long (17 years) and during this long period of time I spent at least $1,000,000
dollars, a lot of experimental equipments. I investigated all physical and energy characteristics of
this unusual object. Part of my QE work is published in my two books. It is impossible in a letter
to describe the way I understood the quantum nature of ball lightning. To avoid damage my business
on Quantum Energy, I tried not to publish articles or to participate on scientific forums. On
another hand, you know, the "Free Energy" researchers are considered by official science
as a heretic scientists. The leadings scientific magazines and journals (like Nature) refuse to
publish our articles. I'm an engineer by profession, so the practical side of the problem is much
more important for me. I want to make a huge business in order to help some unhappy people (poor,
single mothers, kids and students, old people, etc.). Money have sense when they are used for good -
to help people. [...] All my time in USA(13 years) I spent on QE and Cold Fusion research.
[...] Actually, my mother in law (they live with us) is an Ukraine like you.
The voltage of excitement is 1,500 volts, after running into ball lightning drops to about
200-300 volts. So, no ultraviolet or X-rays are expected. But they are measured during radiation.
These measurements are performed by specialists. On the place of ball lightning I put 12 KW halogen
bulbs (24 x 500 watts = 12 kilowatts) - the photo-effect (measured with photometer) is the same like
with ball lightning. All measurements (electrical and calorimetric) are precise.
About some questions. Air pressure- 1 atm; excitement factor is an electrical current with
special characteristics; ball lightning is located in a quartz chamber; for the process to work all
parameters are very important to be combined - not every combination works; my long experience with
this object proves without any doubt the quantum nature of ball lightning (see my two books).
And so on. I'm an inventor-businessman, I can't answer all questions because I don't want to
violate my future business. [...]
Warm regards, Kiril Chukanov
See also
- Responding to: My Visit to Chukanov Quantum Energy,
LLC - An endorsement from a potential team player in this venture, Sterling D. Allan.
(June 26, 2003.)
- Main Index: Chukanov Quantum Energy, LLC - Prototype
"ball lightning" generators completed: "Angelina IV and V" 2.2 kW.
Seeking funding for 100 kW prototype, which can then be mass produced.
Page posted by SDA June 28, 2003
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